i am having a very hard time remembering some of these phrases "when does it arrive" and "when do we arrive"? why is one "Cuando llegamos" and "Cuando llega"? also "we have to leave".... what does "Tenemos que salir" acutally translate to so maybe i could remember it for more than an hour? any tips or suggestions to help me remember these phrases? did anybody else have a hard time with 1.7 or is it just me?
Thanks
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1.7 Traveling on Schedule

Matumic
September 5, 2007

nohablo
September 5, 2007
Hola. "¿Cuando llegamos?" means "when do we arrive?" and "¿cuando llega?" means "when does it arrive?" In Spanish, verb forms change according to who or what is the subject of the verb. If you don't know about conjugating Spanish verbs, I strongly suggest you consult a grammar reference--it's absolutely crucial that you know about this. The verb in the above case is "llegar," to arrive. It is conjugated in the present tense this way:
llego (I arrive), llegas (you arrive [familiar]), llega (he/she/it or you [formal] arrive(s) ), llegamos (we arrive), llegan (they/you [plural] arrive).
As for "tenemos que salir," it means "we have to leave." Tener que + an infinitive means "to have to." Thus, for example, "tengo que estudiar" means "I have to study." "Tenemos que estudiar" would mean "we have to study."
I hope this helps.

Matumic
September 5, 2007
wow that helps a lot. you were more than helpful! wheres a good grammar reference i can purchase?
Thanks Nohablo
Cheers :D

nohablo
September 5, 2007
Hola. I'm glad you found my message helpful. As for good grammar books, an excellent one is the *Primer Curso - RocketSpanishBeginnersGrammar.pdf * that anyone who purchased Level 1 of Rocket Spanish is entitled to access and, if you wish, save to your hard drive. I highly recommend it. You can get it by going to the Member's Section of Rocket Spanish: *__http://www.rocketlanguages.com/help/helpeb.php__*. There are also some good references on the Internet. For example, *__http://studyspanish.com/tutorial.htm__*. The About Spanish site also has lots of useful information about grammar: *__http://spanish.about.com/__*. I don't know of a good beginner's grammar book that you can buy, though I am wildly enthusiastic about *¡Búscalo! (Look it up!): A Quick Reference Guide to Spanish Grammar and Usage,* by William M. Clarkson and Guillermo Campos. It's a terrific paperback that I use a lot when I'm trying to find information about some point of grammar. However, I don't think it's your best bet for _learning_ grammar. You couldn't go wrong buying it (it's not expensive), but I'd recommend you also get a book that offers more traditional _lessons_. Frankly, I think you need look no further than the Rocket Spanish resource I mentioned at the start of this message.

Matumic
September 5, 2007
hola! is there like a certain section in the grammar book where it conjugates some verbs for you or like examples as you said:
llego (I arrive), llegas (you arrive [familiar]), llega (he/she/it or you [formal] arrive(s) ), llegamos (we arrive), llegan (they/you [plural] arrive).
is there like a section where it shows you some verbs and how they're conjugated or like the endings of the verb with I, you, etc. because i can't find it. That'd help me out a lot.
Gracius :D

Matumic
September 5, 2007
one more thing, i think this book that i found would really help me out a lot. it is called 501 Spanish Verbs. I am in German 5 at school and have a book called 501 German Verbs which really helps showing you how to conjugate many verbs, so i believe the Spanish one will help me as well.
Take A look
http://www.amazon.com/501-Spanish-Verbs-Barrons-Language/dp/0764179845/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-6262463-9316748?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1189031585&sr=1-1

C_Norita
September 6, 2007
[quo]*Quote from * Oli0084
one more thing, i think this book that i found would really help me out a lot. it is called 501 Spanish Verbs. I am in German 5 at school and have a book called 501 German Verbs which really helps showing you how to conjugate many verbs, so i believe the Spanish one will help me as well.
Take A look
http://www.amazon.com/501-Spanish-Verbs-Barrons-Language/dp/0764179845/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-6262463-9316748?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1189031585&sr=1-1[/quo]
I was going to recommend that book to you. It's the new one, too! WITH a CD-ROM! :)

nohablo
September 6, 2007
[quo]*Quote from * Oli0084
hola! is there like a certain section in the grammar book where it conjugates some verbs for you or like examples as you said:
llego (I arrive), llegas (you arrive [familiar]), llega (he/she/it or you [formal] arrive(s) ), llegamos (we arrive), llegan (they/you [plural] arrive).
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I'm not sure which grammar book you're referring to. If you mean* ¡Búscalo!*, you can find information about the present tense under "Present Tense Indicative" on p. 151. However, I don't think I'd use ¡Búscalo! to learn about verbs. If this were all new to me, I'd want a book that offered more explanation--more or less the way the Rocket Spanish Primer Curso does. And yes, a book like *501 Spanish Verbs* or *The Big Red Book of Spanish Verbs* (which offers full conjugations of 555 verbs and also has a section in the beginning that talks about each of the verb tenses, how they're formed, and how they're used) is also very helpful By the way, there are Internet sites that will conjugate verbs for you; one I use is *__http://www.conjugation.org/__*.

Matumic
September 6, 2007
Lo Siento. i should of been more clear. i was talking about the rocket Spanish grammar book, where i could find some examples of verbs being conjugated, but i think i found some in section 2.1, pg. 47 with the table. Any other pages or sections i should be aware of, of conjugating more verbs? Thanks for your help!
P.S. I think i'm going to get that book "501 Spanish Verbs", looks like it could be very helpful and according to C_Norita, it comes with a CD-Rom so that should really come in handy!!!!
Cheers :D

nohablo
September 6, 2007
[quo]*Quote from * Oli0084
Lo Siento. i should of been more clear. i was talking about the rocket Spanish grammar book, where i could find some examples of verbs being conjugated, but i think i found some in section 2.1, pg. 47 with the table. Any other pages or sections i should be aware of, of conjugating more verbs? Thanks for your help! [/quo]
I think you need to understand everything the book says about verbs in sections 1.5, 2.1, 2.2, 2.4, 3.2, 5.1, 5.2, 5.3, 5.4, 5.5, 6.1, 6.2, and 6.3.
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P.S. I think i'm going to get that book "501 Spanish Verbs", looks like it could be very helpful and according to C_Norita, it comes with a CD-Rom so that should really come in handy!!!![/quo]
Yes, either that book or the Big Red Book I mentioned above should be useful (they're quite similar), but I don't recommend either as a substitute for a good grammar book. Rather, they're very useful reference works that _supplement_ the lessons in a grammar book. I don't know what the CD has. Depending on its content, it might make the 501 Spanish Verbs book more useful than the Big Red Book, or it might just be a way to raise the price without adding much of value. :)